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How good is this?
kinda creepy too...
by The 26incher
23 April 2012 - 08:00 PM
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23 April 2012 - 11:37 PM
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23 April 2012 - 11:38 PM
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24 April 2012 - 12:18 AM
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24 April 2012 - 05:13 AM
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I really dig stoner/doom/howeveryouwannalabelit metal. This is pretty good, but a bit of a rehash of a lot of that kind of music. Good stuff, but a bit too retro for me. If you like these guys, you should check out Electric Wizard, they're the kings of the genre. Their last album had a strong retro 70s vibe, here's a few tracks from "Black Masses".
24 April 2012 - 12:47 PM
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I think it's tough for musical artists to write and create something that doesn't at least sound somewhat similar to something that's already been done. Occasionally, a new genre of music appears and it's something that's totally revolutionary to the world of music, but eventually, even that becomes a norm and gets rehashed.
I write stuff occasionally. I know it's nothing revolutionary (hell, it probably isn't even good). But I'll share it with a few other people and one of them (usually other musician friends) will say, "Hey, that sounds kind of like something-or-other." It might not have even been something I listened to, or was even that familiar with.
Somewhere, somehow, your creation or at least part of it, was created by someone before you.
I think Rap is really the most recent revolutionary (evolutionary) new genre to appear and that was some 30 years ago now. And even that had it's roots in funk, jazz, and classic R&B.
I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this thought. I just know that Scott's statement about it sounding retro got my wheels turning. I think almost any new music (especially, pop, rock, and rap) is retro to some degree.
I write stuff occasionally. I know it's nothing revolutionary (hell, it probably isn't even good). But I'll share it with a few other people and one of them (usually other musician friends) will say, "Hey, that sounds kind of like something-or-other." It might not have even been something I listened to, or was even that familiar with.
Somewhere, somehow, your creation or at least part of it, was created by someone before you.
I think Rap is really the most recent revolutionary (evolutionary) new genre to appear and that was some 30 years ago now. And even that had it's roots in funk, jazz, and classic R&B.
I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this thought. I just know that Scott's statement about it sounding retro got my wheels turning. I think almost any new music (especially, pop, rock, and rap) is retro to some degree.
24 April 2012 - 02:35 PM
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OK. I'm gonna say that it's kind of weak. If you are going to play a simple style of metal, every aspect must be dead-on tight. I'm talking songwriting, producing, stage show and presence just to name a few. There are not many bands that can get away with stripping down a style and making it sound unique and interesting. This band is ok at that but is gonna need some more time to mature. Not trying to be a dick. Just unimpressed with their overall package.
I am not a musician so my opinion ain't shit on that level. I am a lifetime music freak, though and have heard this style done 100 times. This rendition is a little less than cutting edge IMHO.
I am not a musician so my opinion ain't shit on that level. I am a lifetime music freak, though and have heard this style done 100 times. This rendition is a little less than cutting edge IMHO.
24 April 2012 - 02:42 PM
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24 April 2012 - 02:51 PM
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bennyt4130, on 24 April 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:
OK. I'm gonna say that it's kind of weak. If you are going to play a simple style of metal, every aspect must be dead-on tight. I'm talking songwriting, producing, stage show and presence just to name a few. There are not many bands that can get away with stripping down a style and making it sound unique and interesting. This band is ok at that but is gonna need some more time to mature. Not trying to be a dick. Just unimpressed with their overall package.
I am not a musician so my opinion ain't shit on that level. I am a lifetime music freak, though and have heard this style done 100 times. This rendition is a little less than cutting edge IMHO.
I am not a musician so my opinion ain't shit on that level. I am a lifetime music freak, though and have heard this style done 100 times. This rendition is a little less than cutting edge IMHO.
I'm sort of leaning the opposite direction these days.
So much new heavy stuff seems over produced, slick, computerized perfect metal.
While yes it sounds powerful. It feels fake to me - too processed. I mean, SUPER young garage-band trained kids are putting out some of the most brutal, prefect Metal these days with perfectly Auto-tuned cookie monster vocals, and dragonforce speed riffs) ...(Doing it and recording it better than we ever could at their age) .... While impressive musicianship is there... I'm still not impressed with the final product. It's got Zero charm, or vibe.
I know there are some bands that get the happy balance... but for now - when I hear some Good scrappy garagey riffs that sound like the band is trying to conquer their limited fidelity - (and admittedly it might just personal phase for me) .... I ultimately get more excited.
24 April 2012 - 03:00 PM
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Good point, Chromey. Don't get me wrong. I am a huge fan of garage metal. I love rough, under-produced gritty underground music of any kind. I guess my point got muddled. Here's the bottom line: I love to hear a song that blows me away the first time I hear it. I am picky but I know what I like in an abstract way. The song in the first video didn't do that but there are others that are doing similar styles that blow my mind.
I really like it when a 3 piece can bring big, heavy, thick sound with unique interpretation of the simplest form of heavy rock. It's guttural. Nothing wrong with a 4 piece. I just think the 3 piece brings the rawness.
I really like it when a 3 piece can bring big, heavy, thick sound with unique interpretation of the simplest form of heavy rock. It's guttural. Nothing wrong with a 4 piece. I just think the 3 piece brings the rawness.
24 April 2012 - 03:01 PM
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I was just trying to say that what I hear is similar to a lot of other bands in this genre, both old and new, only the other bands did it better the first time around. A lot of the bands making this kind of stuff borrow from the bands of the 70s.
I see these guys have two releases, so they should be able to find their own voice in time.
I do dig the riffs, even if they are borrowed, and I really like the production quality. It's just not original sounding as a whole. We're living in a great era for this kind of music, there's a lot of great stuff like this (but a little better) out there. I can post some tonight if you're interested.
And then again, musical tastes are all subjective. If you dig it, you dig it.![:OSThumbsUpPeace[1]:](http://bmxsociety.com/public/style_emoticons/BMXsociety/OSThumbsUpPeace[1].gif)
I see these guys have two releases, so they should be able to find their own voice in time.
I do dig the riffs, even if they are borrowed, and I really like the production quality. It's just not original sounding as a whole. We're living in a great era for this kind of music, there's a lot of great stuff like this (but a little better) out there. I can post some tonight if you're interested.
And then again, musical tastes are all subjective. If you dig it, you dig it.
24 April 2012 - 03:04 PM
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bennyt4130, on 24 April 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:
Good point, Chromey. Don't get me wrong. I am a huge fan of garage metal. I love rough, under-produced gritty underground music of any kind. I guess my point got muddled. Here's the bottom line: I love to hear a song that blows me away the first time I hear it. I am picky but I know what I like in an abstract way. The song in the first video didn't do that but there are others that are doing similar styles that blow my mind.
I really like it when a 3 piece can bring big, heavy, thick sound with unique interpretation of the simplest form of heavy rock. It's guttural.
I really like it when a 3 piece can bring big, heavy, thick sound with unique interpretation of the simplest form of heavy rock. It's guttural.
I'm in full agreement.
I know what you mean.
My musical taste is all over the place. I guess playing in a few heavy bands over the years I've been exposed to too much of the current trends.
And Very much agree about a good 3-piece that can blow your doors off - no matter what genre of music - is pretty much my favorite thing ever.
24 April 2012 - 04:05 PM
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Man -- I can really go both ways on the over-produced vs. low-fi/underproduced discussion.
I like the stuff I'm working on to sound kind of like it would sound if it was just sitting around the room and playing it to other people. But at the same time, I get incredible satisfaction from listening to a well-produced recording in a good set of headphones and it sounding like the band is set up behind me, but I can tell that the kick drum, bass and vocal are center stage, guitar to the right, a drum fill from snare to floor tom wraps around me from one side to the other. To me, there's nothing like that feeling. I know I'm in a minority, but I typically enjoy a well produced record played on good equipment vs a live show.
Oddly enough though, I get that same enjoyment listening to something with low production quality. The Foo Fighters first album has decent production quality -- but not industry perfect quality. It was recorded in a basic 24-track studio and I believe mastered in-house (I could be wrong on the mastering part). At any rate, there's an intrinsic rawness to it. Not as raw as say Nirvana's Bleach however. Another incredible album, with way, way, way less quality of production that the aforementioned Foo's album.
That said, over-production sucks. Matt, I've heard you use the term "happy accidents" more than once. Without that kinds of stuff on a recording, the overall product lacks some life. It's like CGI explosions vs actual explosions on a movie screen, it's like solid-state vs. valves, digital vs. analog. Wihtout that little tiny bit of unpredictability it can come off as totally flat.
On the same token, rawness for rawness sake sucks too (for example, and I know I'll catch some shit for this, Metallica's St. Anger album)... A raw recording has to capture a good performance.
I like the stuff I'm working on to sound kind of like it would sound if it was just sitting around the room and playing it to other people. But at the same time, I get incredible satisfaction from listening to a well-produced recording in a good set of headphones and it sounding like the band is set up behind me, but I can tell that the kick drum, bass and vocal are center stage, guitar to the right, a drum fill from snare to floor tom wraps around me from one side to the other. To me, there's nothing like that feeling. I know I'm in a minority, but I typically enjoy a well produced record played on good equipment vs a live show.
Oddly enough though, I get that same enjoyment listening to something with low production quality. The Foo Fighters first album has decent production quality -- but not industry perfect quality. It was recorded in a basic 24-track studio and I believe mastered in-house (I could be wrong on the mastering part). At any rate, there's an intrinsic rawness to it. Not as raw as say Nirvana's Bleach however. Another incredible album, with way, way, way less quality of production that the aforementioned Foo's album.
That said, over-production sucks. Matt, I've heard you use the term "happy accidents" more than once. Without that kinds of stuff on a recording, the overall product lacks some life. It's like CGI explosions vs actual explosions on a movie screen, it's like solid-state vs. valves, digital vs. analog. Wihtout that little tiny bit of unpredictability it can come off as totally flat.
On the same token, rawness for rawness sake sucks too (for example, and I know I'll catch some shit for this, Metallica's St. Anger album)... A raw recording has to capture a good performance.
24 April 2012 - 05:13 PM
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IMHO good production does not inherently imply over-production. I can enjoy a sweet 4 track recording or a mega-studio production. My philosophy of production is to bring across the REAL sound of the band regardless of what that means in the studio.
24 April 2012 - 05:23 PM
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25 April 2012 - 03:49 AM
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"Such Hawks Such Hounds" is a great documentary about this kind of music. The whole thing is on youtube:
My favorite part of the documentary, the part about Sleep and how they made Dopesmoker, one of the high water marks of the genre, and one of the most incredible things ever recorded:
My favorite part of the documentary, the part about Sleep and how they made Dopesmoker, one of the high water marks of the genre, and one of the most incredible things ever recorded:
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