Ceciljohnsfan Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 wow i like the banner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmxmountainbiker Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 (edited) My 1996 Boss Hogg cruiser... almost exactly the same as I raced it in '96 and '97 (20 years after I started racing BMX). I've got the GT 820 pedals and Shimano red DX brakes with Tektro red lever on the way... as well as the XTRSKN pads and UGP plate... I've always been partial to the mid-school Boss because it rode almost exactly like my 1983 Patterson cruiser (Brent Patterson was an owner of Boss in the mid-1990s, and had a hand in the frame designs). The early 1980s Pattersons were some of my all-time favorite bikes. The '96 GT forks were bought after I mis-judged a set of doubles and bent the Boss forks backwards... a teammate of mine turned the fork around and rammed the bike into a wall until they were straight again... I raced and won that day on the mangled Boss forks... I have some Boss forks at the paint shop now... they will be black. Richard Vogt bmxmountainbiker P.S. I'm looking for some mid-school Boss pads if anyone has 'em... Edited March 25, 2008 by Richard Vogt - bmxmountainbiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve bourke Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 wow i like the banner! did you see the gold fringe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin carbizguy Posted March 26, 2008 Admin Share Posted March 26, 2008 wow i like the banner! did you see the gold fringe. thanks. yeah there is gold fringe on the top and bottom of the banner. the sides have pockets for ground stakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double chevron Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Well, I do not post very often, but interesting thread ! Here's my NOS BOSS Bad Boy F+F They were quite expensive BITD in France.. Serial n# PRXL256 I believe this is a 93 model, can anybody help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetX Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMXROB Posted April 5, 2008 Author Share Posted April 5, 2008 I dont recall ever hearing that story before. Bummer it got stolen, outside of that great info. I have heard Boss started as early as 83, but you say 81 so there it is. Even if it was a Boss stickered Patterson! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyS Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 (edited) Boss started in the early 70s I believe, might have even been the late 60s building flattrack frames. Boss' competitors in that business you may have heard of, Redline, Champion, and Trackmaster. Carlo also worked welding for other people, one of them being Doug Schwerma. He was not the only but one of the welders who did the Schwerma Champions. Carlo was doing BMX frames on his own in a shop the backyard of his house in Oakland as early as 76. Panda Elites, then Pro Ams, Sentry/Patterson. The first Boss stickered frames I remember were looptails in 79 or 80, it might have been 81. If Vance left Carlo with with a bunch of frames it was a dispute of some kind, not Pattersons inability to pay the bill. I don't remember the deal with GT, I think there was some stuff left there when they closed the doors. Rocky would know. I've never heard anything about them owning the name though. Carlo owned Boss until 88ish when an investment by Panda didn't work out(I know both parties involved there, witnessed some serious shouting matches, and have heard two different versions so I'll just leave it as "didn't work out"). Panda ended up with Boss which was then sold to Jess and Brent in the early 90s. Carlo started L&S before the dust had even settled with Panda. Now retired in Oregon Carlo's been at Roseville the last two years. Think I'll call him and have some Boss, Patterson, and Pandas made. But of course they will only be for show. :Special Salute: Edited April 5, 2008 by RandyS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spur Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Awesome BOSS knowledge being tossed around! Very cool Randy and Planet X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmxmountainbiker Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 I don't believe that the Patterson name was ever owned by "The Firm"... but I heard (and this was never confirmed by any Patterson principals) that some frames were being made by GT for Patterson... until GT won the NORA Bike of the Year and the subsequent sales boost made it difficult for GT to handle their own orders, much less other brands... I loved my Patterson race bikes in the early 1980s and still love my 1996 Boss cruiser that is basically Patterson geometry with modern technologies like larger tubing, 1 1/8" threadless forks and v-brakes... Richard Vogt bmxmountainbiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceciljohnsfan Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Keep the info coming,love hear and learning new things about Boss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmxmountainbiker Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I'll tell you a little story about Boss... in particular, my Boss... I loved my Patterson cruiser in the early 1980s and when I rode the Boss Hogg 24" cruiser 12 years later, it reminded me of that bike instantly... I learned later that Brent Patterson was a partner in Boss in 1996 and had a hand in the geometry of that bike... It is still one of my favorite bikes from any of my racing years since 1976... In the summer of 1996, I was riding for Kovachi Wheels at the Tanglewood NBL national. We built a lot of wheels for pros like John Purse and others, and they would come by for wheel truing and maintenance in between motos whenever they needed it... well, right before Sunday's pro cruiser main, Terry Tennet's bike was stolen... so he came by the trailer and asked to borrow my Boss cruiser... he jumped on it... never even rode it on the track... and won the pro cruiser main... I always though my Boss was a great bike (it did win a bunch of nationals for me in 1996 and 1997!)... and Terry proved it to me again that day by winning the pro cruiser main! Richard Vogt bmxmountainbiker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMXROB Posted April 9, 2008 Author Share Posted April 9, 2008 Shit Id love to see a 70s Boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetX Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Shit Id love to see a 70s Boss. Me too. I'm going to see Hadley next week, I think. I'll ask him what he knows about GT and Patterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve bourke Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Shit Id love to see a 70s Boss. i have two of them. thier called Patterson's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmxmountainbiker Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Shit Id love to see a 70s Boss. i have two of them. thier called Patterson's Yes... you are correct, sir! And I get to ride my '83 Patterson cruiser every day in the form of my '96 Boss Hogg... Richard Vogt bmxmountainbiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcbmx1 Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 The earliest Boss was similar to either the Panda Pro Am with a loop rear end (there was one sold on Ebay not long ago) or similar to the low profile Patterson with minor differences to dropout and plates behind bottom bracket. Boss also did one or two custom frames with the double top tube. Frank Post rode one of these to a win at the 1980 ABA Grands in AA Pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetX Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 (edited) The earliest Boss was similar to either the Panda Pro Am with a loop rear end (there was one sold on Ebay not long ago) or similar to the low profile Patterson with minor differences to dropout and plates behind bottom bracket. Boss also did one or two custom frames with the double top tube. Frank Post rode one of these to a win at the 1980 ABA Grands in AA Pro. I always wonder what this bike was. I never saw it advertised and never believed it was a Panda since it was so different. Since it was a twin-toptuber, I was into it. And isnce was also a loop-tail, I was into it. Best of both my worlds. This thing was too small for me, even in 1979, but I thought it was cool. Dan Rutledge's Panda appears to be one of thes bikes. The article shows a few shots of this bike, but Dan is never pictured riding it. I always found the article a little confusing when it came to his equipment. Always loved the BMXA articles on the minis. This is from Jan./Feb. 1979 issue. Check out his Tuff Neck. Bottom plate is interesting. Not sure I'd call it drilled out as Oz did. Looks more like there is a set screw in there to hold the quill in place. Getting rid of the heavy steel bolt was probably a good idea for a mini, but the integrity of that set screw seems pretty iffy. Edited April 12, 2008 by PlanetX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmxmountainbiker Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 PlanetX, Those original Tuff Neck stems were pressed onto the quill under tremendous pressure and then a pin was fit into the drilled hole you see there to hold everything together... I'm not sure what Oz was referring to to as "drilled out"... the press fit process was detailed in BMXA... maybe that article came later... Richard Vogt bmxmountainbiker P.S. dcbmx1 could probably answer this... did GT ever manufacture Patterson frames and forks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetX Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 PlanetX, Those original Tuff Neck stems were pressed onto the quill under tremendous pressure and then a pin was fit into the drilled hole you see there to hold everything together... I'm not sure what Oz was referring to to as "drilled out"... the press fit process was detailed in BMXA... maybe that article came later... I thought that might be the case, but didn't bother to research it before I typed. I don't think I've ever seen one. I was never (and still am not) much of a TN guy. They're cool, but I always thought they were a bit chunky and inelegant. I like both those qualities about them now, but still, I prefer other stems. That's a cool stem, though. Thanks for the info. Hard to tell from this photo, but maybe, just maybe, there is a big hole drilled through the plate under the bars, a la Torker mini stems. Kinda sorta looks like a circle there in what looks to be cast shadow from the bars. If you look closely, however, it's too much shadow and the wrong shape to be coming from the bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcbmx1 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 That is a great magazine article. It looks to be a Panda Elite with hole drilled in each dropout. Patterson hired GT to make their bikes in 1983-1986. Those had the GT like serial numbers at the dropouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code4130 Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Heres a poster from The American BMXER back when the mag was twice the size. Steve Veltman #1 Pro, I bought my first(of many) Boss bikes that year. I got a chance to meet Steve in '94 at the Midwest Nats in Rockford. He parked just down from me we talked and hung out a little bit. I was 13 and I was hunging with the #1 Pro, it was the best time ever. He didn't have big trucks, tents, and crews like the GT, Powerlite, or Redline guys, He just showed up in his pickup. I never forget how down to earth he was, a real cool guy. Thanks Steve. And by the way I doubled that weekend in 13n The pic isn't the best but you get the idea. These also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derektitus Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 hey code4130 here is the cover to that issue and i got it signed by him at the grands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code4130 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 VERY NICE. I lost all those old mags, man I wish I still had 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NORCAL BOSS Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 The earliest Boss was similar to either the Panda Pro Am with a loop rear end (there was one sold on Ebay not long ago) or similar to the low profile Patterson with minor differences to dropout and plates behind bottom bracket. Boss also did one or two custom frames with the double top tube. Frank Post rode one of these to a win at the 1980 ABA Grands in AA Pro. SIK!!!! I LOVE THE OLDSCHOOL MAGZ.ANY MORE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
