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20" Rumblefish made Between 1991-1994 ULTRA RARE!! Built By Bill Grove (Hutch/Titron) for Richard Kerr of Power Bike Shop in Ca.

Probably less than 50 total framesets, 20 & 24.

 

Grove Hot Rod cranks mainly used on MTB, but could be used on anything. Also ultra rare especially in 180 MM, which these are.

These were supposed to be the next gen. of Aerospeed. Alan McCorkle could tell ya' about that story!!!!!

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For sure uber rare, I have never ridden a single tube bike like that or a JAD. I would think they are crazy flexy?

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hells yeah!

 

thats sooo hot!!

 

mega obscure midschool SCORE!!

 

i havent seen grove hot rods since the bmx plus project lite pro..... a rumblefish w/ titan ti forks

 

is that the original finish?

 

 

nice one greg!

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It's restored, the orig. color was a Dk. Blue Metallic, but it had been rattle canned white. They came in some crazy early 90's colors originally, so I went with a powder job of Pearlescent, Fluorescent Candy Orange over Gold Metallic base. It is a really trippy color!! I love it.

 

Have had for a couple years, but was waiting to score the crankset before showcasing it. The cranks will either be brass plated or I will hand polish the raw Cro mo. and clear.

 

It might be fun to let you guys tell me how to build this guy up??!!!

 

I have a VG, or Crupi stem, S&M Slams, Brand X Ti post with integrated seat guts, VG or PMC seat post clamp, Nukeproof carbon, or PMC Hi-flange Hubs, Crupi or JP pedals, Sun Mistral rims in chrome or hard anno. OR Super 7X's in chrome, Blackwall Tioga Comp X tires.

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Great topic, Gregg. I find this brand fascinating.

 

Here's a couple of pics I have in my stash. Unfortunately can't give credit where it is due because I didn't note the source. So... thanks to whoever posted these first, and to whatever publication the scan was pinched from.

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It's restored, the orig. color was a Dk. Blue Metallic, but it had been rattle canned white. They came in some crazy early 90's colors originally, so I went with a powder job of Pearlescent, Fluorescent Candy Orange over Gold Metallic base. It is a really trippy color!! I love it.

 

Have had for a couple years, but was waiting to score the crankset before showcasing it. The cranks will either be brass plated or I will hand polish the raw Cro mo. and clear.

 

It might be fun to let you guys tell me how to build this guy up??!!!

 

I have a VG, or Crupi stem, S&M Slams, Brand X Ti post with integrated seat guts, VG or PMC seat post clamp, Nukeproof carbon, or PMC Hi-flange Hubs, Crupi or JP pedals, Sun Mistral rims in chrome or hard anno. OR Super 7X's in chrome, Blackwall Tioga Comp X tires.

 

Some Odyssey T-1000's would look hot on that! Great score!

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I had the opportunity to pick up a 24 f/f last year...I still kick myself evryday for passing it up :curses:

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That purlpe one was my old cruiser.... way short....and you had to have a slotted seat post...

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I've seen some Rumblefish frames before, but I don't think I've ever seen the cranks...That's a crazy BB, is it bearingless? Nice!

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I am sure that is the Bb carrier. Rumblefishs use an ecentric Bb to compensate for the fixed drop out rear. It is looking like the bb is not in the picture but I am not farmiliar with those cranks.

 

As for the bike I think Sex on wheels sums it up nicely. I lusted after this bike when I was younger but I was way too big for it. Then again anything under 21.25" is too small for me. :(

 

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The frames in that article are prototypes and were modified after initial testing to have the lower chainstay for less flex. I also found out that Bill Grove has the patent for this type of frame design and consulted with Richard Kerr on the design after giving him permission to use the design. Bill Grove did not actually produce them.

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bumping this because it's crazy interesting... Greg Hannah drops science on everything.

 

 

 

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Anybody else holding and able to add some pics to this thread?

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There is an an auction on EBay right now for a Rumblefish frame that has a lengthy description which was copied verbatim from BMXmuseum. It references Bill Grove’s involvement in the project which is what caught my attention to begin with. Having known Bill for over a decade now I reached out to him for clarification because the similarities between the Grove X MTB frame and Rumblefish are a little too coincidental.

 

(Me) Did you build the Rumblefish BMX frame for Richard Kerr back in the 90s?

(Grove) Nope! I remember being pissed that he stole the design.

(Me) Really? So you knew of him but had no business dealings.

(Grove) Correct.

 

Case closed.

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Alan I'm curious as to who owns the rights to the Rumblefish design. As you say you know Bull If you are friends with Bill can you ask him if he is please, and if so,does he plan to make them again.

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Wrong site for that. If you want one, spend the time to find an original. Making new ones only weakens the brand and their history. 

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Hi, I am Richard Kerr founder and owner of Rumblefish Bmx products.

I want to set the record straight.
I do not know Bill Grove or I did not even see his bike till 3 or 4 years ago, believe it or not. I happen to stumble upon one on eBay and could not believe how much it looked like my bike.
Please see the following:
 
1) All I have is photographic proof in print. Go to usabmx web look in the USA Bmx photos  go to Fall nationals 1990 coal canyon
There are 4 or 5 pictures of both my prototype 20" and 24" bikes.
 
2)March 1991 Bmx plus exotic bike article.
 
3) July 91 (cover and five pages) Bmx Plus test
 
4)October 91 ( cover, 5 pages) Bmx Plus "project featherweight"
 
5) April 1992 Bicycle Guide "Hot tubes"
 
6) Where and when could I have seen his bike prior to fall 1990. 
I say fall 90 because this is earliest proof. That's not from me.
 
7) does anyone know that in 1991 Alpinestar had made a single main tube bike?
Called the Cro Mega.
 
I had the 20"  prototype built first by arc n spark and then I had them build the 24" for me. This was early spring 1990.
I believe the coal canyon national was the first time I had them out in public.
I test the bikes mainly out at twin palms in Riverside ca about less then 5 miles from my house. I rode out there during the week when nobody was there.
I did not want anyone to see it till after I knew it would work and I hammered the bikes.
Also I did not want to get knocked off.
So when someone, who I don't know and doesn't know me said I "stole the design"
This upsets me. Ask him how mad Bill would be if someone accused him of thief right out in the open. On a Bmx website. Aside from my family, Bmx has been one of the most important part of my life. I'm call a thief and nobody even got my side of the story. Well there is one person who post the Grove connection. I talk to this person and gave them the story, I was told the info would be corrected but it took years.
I have grandkids that race Bmx and I don't want them doing a web search (like I did) and find something like this.
Richard Kerr 

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Cool to see you posting here Richard.   I purchased a black RRS from you years ago.  I remember you showing me the Rumblefish bikes you still had.  I always wished I would have had a camera on me that day.       

Please post some more Rumblefish info and details.  Members here would love to get the real, firsthand.  Would also love to see some pics of your bikes.  

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