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BMX Society Collector Spotlight #7: broke L345

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After far too long... I am happy to be writing the introduction to a long over due addition to our "Collector Spotlight" series.

 

I want to thank Jake for putting in the time to interview and edit this interview. I similarly thank Christian for allowing us to get a bit more insight into his world.

 

We have a number of interesting international members here, and we've wanted to feature some of them for a while. I started one with another Austalian and got totally derailed. That's why I'm so grateful that Jake had the focus and diligence to crank this one out with Christian.

 

Christian has distinguished himself with a series of top notch bikes over the past few years. They always finish at the top of Bike of the Year voting, and he has an eye for excellence.

 

He also lives a pretty charmed life, exhibiting great taste in architecture, design, and all the subtle nuances that you will soon see, present a lifestyle that looks incredibly appealing from where I'm sitting... and he has one of the most interesting occupations I know of. And by that I mean, not just on this site, but amongst all my friends and acquaintances generally speaking.

 

I'll keep this brief, and let Jake and Christian tell this story.

 

Enjoy...

 

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BMX Society: Let’s start this thing off by finding out more about you, inquiring minds want to know!

 

CL: Christian Langeder 43 years old,born in Austria but migrated to Australia in 1969. Grew up in a family of seven kids. Would have been hard for my parents but we never did with out, they were good at that. We did share bikes etc and my dad was an upholsterer so we were often dressed in stuff made from left over fabric. LOL, was the 70’s.

 

I’m married to an incredible woman, Jade, we have been together for 21 years and married for 16, no kids but we have a Rottie called Huck who always sticks his head in the way when I take any pictures and a Corgi called Sophie. We live by the Bay in Melbourne Australia in a suburb called Mount Eliza. We are about 1 kilometer from the beach.

 

I work for myself as an Equine Soft Tissue Therapist, I am usually referred to as the back guy or the muscle guy. I fix sore muscles in animals but I specialize in performance horses. I got the idea of doing this when I broke my back in 1999 and couldn’t find anyone to help with my back pain. I kept searching for anything that would help me, that’s when my passion for Australian soft tissue therapies began. Amazing what goes through your mind when you’re broken. I have been working with animals now for about 13 years. Before that, I was running nightclubs and bars. So much happier now.

 

We live in a Mid Century Modern house, which we renovated a couple of years back its one of those homes that we love, we are very lucky it’s filled with the old 60’s furniture / modern stuff.

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BMX Society: The soft tissue therapy for equines is very cool to me as I have a background with American Quarter Horses. In the states, spinal manipulation and even acupuncture are used as therapies, more so on race or competition horses. From talking to you in the past, it seems your job is pretty involved. What is involved in a typical therapy session?

 

CL: Manipulation or people who pull horses around is a dying art here, I’m the new generation of back or muscle guy. Generally I get a call go and assess the horse/s, I usually fully treat them. My work is based on a range of Australian soft tissue therapies including Bowen, Emmett, Hatchards way but mostly is my own adaptation which has developed over the last 14 years. I still treat dogs sometimes too, in which I am usually the last resort. I treated a dog a couple of month’s back which couldn't move any of its limbs. The vets informed the owner that it would take a $3,500.00 operation to assess the injury properly (which the owner couldn't afford). I treated the dog twice and it was once again jumping in and out the car. I do this sort of thing fairly often.

 

I usually work with Dressage, Racing, Polo, Eventing and probably show horses. Anything that needs to compete. I fell into working with horses by accident really, I have never been a horse person, frankly I was petrified of them. I just wanted to do dogs and maybe work at Zoos but I fixed a dog for a Race Trainer and was invited to have a look at their horses. Now I couldn't see my life without treating them. Hard to explain exactly how I do it, it mostly just looks like I’m hugging your horse. You need to look at my you tube videos under thoroughperformance.

 

I am lucky with the caliber of stables that I work at and an incredible life I lead. It’s a life that would never have happened if I didn't come off my bike Feb 7 1999.

 

 

 

BMX Society: So the screen name Broke L345 is from your BMX injury? Describe the injury and how long was the recovery before you discovered the soft tissue therapy? Once you researched and found the therapy,what was the rate of recovery?

 

 

CL: I was racing at a local track and was put in the open class by accident, I did really well my first moto, so I decided to get more serious in the second. I was coming third into the first berm and saw the opportunity to get second, so I ducked down the berm early got second hit a tabletop, overshot it and went over the bars. Broke my Lumbar 34&5 lateral processes so broke L345. I went to hospital on a stretcher was there for a while, then it took me about months to be able to walk unaided. I started with a walking frame, then crutches, then a walking stick. Not fun times. It happened Feb 7, 1999 and couldn't get any comfort. By around July, I started looking at alternative therapies and they just seemed to help, I had already decided I was no longer going to work in hospitality and that if I couldn't work, I would have loved to work with animals and that was the beginning of learning therapies and transferring them over to animals.

 

I met my first Bowen Therapist around October 99, she did about 8 – 10 moves on my back and got rid of 80% of my existing referral pain. It was so miraculous that I had to learn the therapy for myself. By the end of that year I was already treating animals. From there I kept an eye out for those old farm guys that that you hear about that can fix your dog/ goat/ what ever and tried to learn as much as I could. I hope I am as good as they are when I get their age.

 

I was all perfect again after three years. I don’t have any problems from that injury anymore.

 

 

BMX Society: Since you are the first published Australian interview on the site, I have to ask:

 

a.) Are you proficient with a Bowie knife? b.) Do you bring dead crocodiles to bars when you are out for a drink? c.) Go on “walkabouts”? d.) Have you thrown shrimps on the Barbie?

 

CL: a.) No

 

b.) Not usually

 

c.) Only in my yard

 

d.) Yes

 

We are very out doorsy here although the sun is very harsh, we do love eating outside, sport, and culture generally.

 

 

 

I think you’ll find the one thing every Australian loves is telling tourists how deadly our wildlife is…….we love it. In fact I think we all love wildlife here as a general rule. I live in an area that is full of colourful parrots (rainbow lorikeets, rosellas, blackcockatoos, cockies, galahs) they can be noisy though. We also have three tawny frog mouths that hang out by our front door, kookaburras, ring tailed and brush tailed possums, we get a lot of lizards here too but we haven’t seen any snakes but I am sure they are around.

 

We do seem to have the biggest insects in our yard though aside from flies which Australia is well known for here: weget bull ants, scorpions, Spider wasps, Robber flies, European wasps, massive mosquitoes and the little annoying buggers.

 

And the list of spiders we get in and around our house goes something like this, Huntsman, Golden orb, St Andrews cross, White tail, Redback. I guess the tip is if you see something here and you don’t know what it is, just leave it alone. We've learned to get along with most of them but the only good white tail is a dead one.

 

BMX Society: In all seriousness, that movie tainted every Americans perception of Australian culture, so I must apologize. But it is Paul Hogan’s fault LOL. Back on track; tell us about your BMX experience from the beginning until now.

 

 

 

CL: I used to go to the local YMCA BMX track in the late 70’s and rent one of their crap heavy bikes and muck around at the track with my friends. I was hooked.

 

One day one of our family friends asked if there was one bike I could own, what would it be, the answer was a Torker, I was frigging obsessed by them. Not long later he bought one for me ,now I was rocking, it had blue Tuffs, Cook Bros. seat post, Elina seat I ended up building a recreation of it in 2006 or so. He then spoke to Torker in the States about starting a team here. We were given all the clothing, and although we were allowed to call our selves the Australian Torker team, we weren’t allowed to use “Factory”. Anyway, one of my brothers got a Torker too and there were probably four other guys in the team from memory. I used to win some races but nothing major, the best times were still out on the streets with my mates playing tag on our bikes and finding jumps etc. You know playing out side till you ran out of daylight. My favorite trick was standing on the top of those twin tubes and rolling down this big down hill road near my place. Looking at it now, I was obviously slightly touched in the head. I stopped racing about 82-83.

 

In the mid nineties I drove past a bike shop and saw a BMX in the window, I pulled up and drove home with that bike in my car, the disease had struck again. That bike was a Mongoose Solution, I started riding again (with my brother Heinz), then racing. I went from the Mongoose to a Supercross, which Jade called a super happy. Donated lots of blood to a track called the south Eastern here in Melbourne. I also got a cruiser, TNT, which I raced in the world titles in 1998. I was pretty much just there to make up the numbers but I am happy I did it.

 

In 1999 I was getting pretty serious about racing again, and was going pretty well. In Feb at a race meet a the South Eastern, I was accidently put in the open class for a race meet. I was surprisingly competitive in my first moto and came third. I figured I was going to give this next moto all I had. I was third into the first berm, cut down the berm early to take second, hit a tabletop, over shot it and went over my bars. I didn't realize it then, but, I had broken my back in three places and my life was about to change in a big way. With the support of Jade I’m better now.

 

I went back to riding at tracks but not racing and I was probably more skilled after the accident than before. It was around 2004 that I started looking at old BMX’s. I had a Hutch stem on my TNT cruiser, which was given to me by my brother. One day he called me and told me he looked at eBay and I laughed at him when he told me what my shitty old stem was worth. I got on eBay and started looking at all the old bits I used to have and could remember. We decided to build a bike for each other for old times sake, I found an old Redline MXII and did what I thought at the time was a pretty cool restoration. Then it was onto my love of Torkers. From there I started looking at the seventies stuff, I always loved the grass roots bikes. I joined forums, met people, and was getting more into the 70’s era, not just the bikes. I love the era.

 

One day I saw Tim Cooks chrome Gboy Holly Fucking Shit!!!!! ( can I say that? J ) I needed one of these. I had just been bitten by a sickness that I had no intention of controlling. Thus my G boy problem had begun. I wanted to know every thing about them and I wanted as many of them as I could get. (Madman). I soon realized that no one really knew much about them. I got my first FF, and while restoring it I began researching the history of Gboy. I figured if anyone could help me it would be the people on this site and you know what? I was right. I now read that thread because it’s like a journey through my mind while I was building my first G boy.

 

I now have enough of them to keep me happy; I have been in a bit of a BMX slow spot over the last year as my work gets more busy. My main aim right now is to try get back to mucking around on the track with my FBM. I do also like to ride my seventies bikes but I don’t really try to hurt them as much as the FBM.

 

BMX Society: Not speaking for everyone at the BMX Society, but I don’t believe any of us are schooled on any of the Australian hot shoes past or present? Not to put you on the spot,but we are counting on you to teach us something.

 

CL: There was one rider in Australia that I think every one tried to measure themselves against and that is Jamie Hales, a Factory Mongoose rider I remember always wanting to watch his races. He just seemed to be able to do everything better than anyone else . He was also just a really nice guy. I had the chance to race with him in the mid 90’s when he made a short comeback, even after not being on a bike for a long time, he was hellishly quick.

 

I also had another personal favorite, Dean Yeo (hope I spelled that right). A factory Skyway rider, he took my under his wing one State titles. At the time it struck me that he even had the time coach me days before the titles. It was something that stuck with me, I have always thought it’s how you treat people that you don’t want anything from that shows your character.

 

BMX Society: Who were the riders you looked up to? Did you have more American or Australian influences?

 

CL: I only had two Idols and didn't really think about anyone else, Clint Miller and Jason Jensen. To me they were like the Californian BMX Rock Gods, I thought at the time they had the life I dreamed of having. Californian, long hair, racing for Torker that was the stuff dreams were made of. I had their signed pictures on my wall, these black 8 x 10 things. Don’t know what happened to them. That’s who I would pretend to be when I was racing. Didn't help me that much though LOL.

 

BMX Society: So did BMX follow the same pattern in BMX as it did in the States, strong up until the late 80’s and died only to be resurrected in the late 90’s? Or did it stay consistent? How is it with the youth there today, is racing as popular as the street/freestyle stuff?

 

 

 

CL: Yeah, it was pretty much the same pattern, I got back into it in the mid 90’s but there wasn't much going on, saw it all start picking up late 90’s. Right now there is way more BMX around again, in the shops etc. Ten years ago you’d see young kids riding around the streets on MTB or hybrids that seems to have changed again back to BMX. The race tracks are better and more professional than ever too. I’m not that into the dirt or bowl scene but out here by the beach it seems that kids are riding more skate boards in the bowls than BMX's. Still I think BMX is more popular than it has been in a long time.

 

 

BMX Society: What about Australian bike companies that specialized in BMX? I can think only think of a couple: Quicksilver and Velocity, I seem to recall a company licensed to make Redlines? Again we are counting on you, as a spokesman for your country to give us knowledge.

 

 

 

CL: I was never into the Australian brands that much, there were a lot of apartment store bikes like Hotfoots, Hardtail, Repco. Crossrider was one of the first I personally saw that started with some monoshocks and eventually made some chromoly stuff. Super Roo are popular with some now, but I never knew about them back then.

 

I think the ones that I was familiar with at the track was Quicksilver and Super LA. Personally was never a fan of the Quicksilver although The Helium concept got my attention at the time. The Super LA I think is the nicest Australian bike of the time. It stood for Super Light Alloy I believe. I would love one of those still stunning welds and awesome looking frames.

 

Then there is what I would probably classify as the quintessential Aussie bike, The Supermax. Nichole Kidman rode one in BMX Bandits and you would see these things all over the place. They were made by Malvern Star and came as a complete bike with five holes in the gusset. Fantastic cheaper range bike, they also made a more serious chromo version which looked identical to a Redline. Probably came out of the same factory that made the Redlines in Aust. Yes they were made here. but there are many more that know the details. I was neck deep in the American BMX’s and their riders so I didn't have that much interest in the Australian scene.

 

BMX Society: So I take it that it was predominantly US manufacturers represented at races?

 

 

CL: Not on the streets but certainly on the track, and if you didn't have a US bike you wanted one.

 

BMX Society: You have mentioned that you have G-Boys and Torkers, take us through your collection and briefly describe each bike you have. Also which is your favorite?

 

 

 

CL: My collection isn’t that big, I have four complete G boys.

 

One restored Stout. Blue and gold bits

 

One survivor Stout, with all its original parts.

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One gold restored one with all the lightest gear I could find on it.

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One 10 hole which is the Millmanbike (ser GB 020) with girder forks.

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I have an OG FMF Team Replica Red frame with mostly Gold stuff

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And the Clint Miller JMC (ser JMC020)

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Aside from that I have two more Gboy frames both 1976.

 

 

I don’t have a favorite; I rotate them in my lounge. When ever I realize I have stopped looking at the bike that’s there, I bring in another one. They all have something very special about them. I kinda lean toward the Millman G boy and the Clint JMC at the moment. Probably because I haven’t seen my restored stout in a while, that bike is just stunning to look at.

 

But see then there is a survivor Gboy, totally unmolested; I’m just too lucky to have this kind of history in my house. I guess the gold one is the one that I love the least.

 

BMX Society: There seems to be quite the hunger for early US BMX frames by collectors in Australia. It is almost to the point that the roots era bikes are more coveted there than by collectors here in the birthplace (arguably anyway) of the sport. Can you explain it?

 

 

CL: I think Australia is like a big California, plenty of sun, beaches etc. We are always out doors and in the late 70’s to early 80’s the streets were full of kids riding their bikes. We also have plenty of land around us so I think BMX was the perfect fit for us. We are grubby, tough and love the outdoors. Most people I know around my age grew upon a BMX, so we just see it as part of our heritage too. I think there are a people here that wanted an American bike back then whose parents couldn’t afford one. So now we are older, no borders are going to stop us from getting that dream bike.

 

I think the hunger for early BMX is probably no different to the States. But we have also been blessed with a higher than usual Australian dollar. We haven’t been as effected by the global financial crisis as you guys have (thanks to China). So as far as we are concerned, right now the bikes are cheap. I bought my first G boy FF for $2,500.00 USD when the AUD was at .58 US cents so after postage you could pretty much double that. So at the time if I was going to import a bike it was going to have to be worthwhile. Now that out money is pretty much even with yours we are buying up, we don’t expect the good times to last for us. We just expect that your dollar will bounce back then well be back at stupid prices again.

 

BMX Society: What are some of your favorite bikes in other collections (here or in your own country) that you covet?

 

CL: Haneys Cook Bros S bar & that early Redline

 

Ricks 16 inch G boy pit

 

Truly Odds Black GJS

 

JMCGTs Nomura

 

 

BMX Society: Who are some of your favorite collectors?

 

 

 

CL: Rick G definitely is the fave. I love the grass roots grunge.

 

Waza what can you say? I know what he has and he still blows me away. The thing about Waz is that it’s not what you see of his collection but what he does to maintain or collect history and bring it back. I have never met anyone as dedicated in anything as he is to BMX. It’s a pleasure to know him and an honor to be able to spend time in his shed.

 

I also love what Larock does.

 

Others that deserve mentions are, Roc, Donnie, Dewabo, Volcano, Coasty, Planet X, monster robot, Noel G, Kurt,Quicksilver, Jarvi. These guys all do stuff that I love and they are just nice guys too.

 

And a special mention to 84profile, cause I fucking hate when people can mono a bike so well. Lucky he’s a nice guy too.

 

 

BMX Society: Do you have views on the current state of the hobby in regards to refinish, reproductions, and etc?

 

 

CL: As for refinishing etc. I feel like a bit of a hypocrite I have refinished bikes that I probably wouldn't now. I am refinishing two at the moment because they needed repairing. I am a purist in that, I believe if you are refinishing I like to see bikes come back to concourse so to speak, I’m not into hot rodding them so they are in a finish that was never existed etc. I love the grunge and I love the bling. I love budget bikes and I love the high end fully chromed stuff. I can appreciate it all. I love to see it out and about.

 

I personally now like the used look although I don’t really have much like that. Most of mine get restored somehow, even if they don’t look like it. I am more into making them look like preloved race machines now if I can manage it. Like my ten hole.

 

I don’t like repro stuff as a rule and I don’t think I own any off the top of my head. I would prefer to wait and don’t want to waste my money on it. I love the barn find stuff. I would rather discover a bike somewhere than just buy one of eBay. To me, seeing people unearth something never gets old.

 

I just generally ignore the reproduction thing. I guess I still foolishly think if I ignore it , it’ll go away. I don’t passionately defend it, breaking my back has given me a perspective that means I don’t often argue or dislike anything much. I always try not to make people wrong even if I have a different opinion to theirs. My wife Jade is much like that to so I guess we are pretty lucky. Or ignorant, however you want to look at it J

 

 

BMX Society: As we wind down this interview, I want to switch back to the horses again. You own some race horses correct? How did you get into the sport?

 

CL: I was never a horse person, in fact they scared the shit out of me. I had been working with dogs and native animals for many years when I fixed a dog for a race trainer out here. I was invited to see what I could do with horses. 7 or so years down the track, I work with some of Australia’s best horses in all sports: Polo, Dressage and some great ones in racing. I think it was because of my competitive racing nature that having race horses just seemed to fit. Jade also loves them and is quite competitive herself. It’s now also a big part of my work so I work with trainers understanding the industry from the owner’s side as well. We have one who is in work at the moment called Kapow, his race name is Our Kapow. He looks like he has some ability so we are pretty excited about him. He is cheeky but we like him a lot.

 

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My horse is the one in the front, we have since bought another. This ones name is Kapow and races under Our Kapow. He has trailed twice and come second both times, he looks like he has some ability. The others I just work with.

 

BMX Society: Lastly, this is probably the most timportant question. One that I think every American needs some closure on. Do Koala’s actually get high on eucalyptus?

 

CL: Yes.

 

Ha ha , that’s why we call them drop bears. Firstly they are not related to bears, they are most closely related to Wombats. I worked at a Koala rescue centre for quite some time, funny thing is there is also such little nutritional value in eucalyptus that they are perpetually in go slow mode with only occasional bursts of energy. They have a love hate relationship with their food, which is to say, that the main source of their diet comes from the Mana Gum..The problem is that it is toxic, and at some points in the year it is so toxic that it will kill the Koala. This is why they have been so hard to keep in captivity in the past.

 

They are a strange little bugger, their main issue here in Australia is Chlamydia, it kills a lot of them or kidney failure. Pretty sure the two of them are linked. But it was a while ago that I was working with them so don’t quote me.

 

BMX Society: Thanks for letting the BMX Society bug you with all of this nonsense, it’s been really fun!

 

CL: You’re very welcome, quite interesting having someone ask you a bunch of questions, forces you to reflect a little. It’s been a pleasure chatting with you Jake, be nice if I could meet a few of you guys out there. May have to make it happen one day. I hope some of what I have said is interesting.

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Still editing the format, I apologize for errors. It is tricky to get these to look right.

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Awesome work guys.

Christian is a great bloke to know. I love his bike building style and his passion for detail.

Great interview.

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Good interview guys. One day I hope to meet up with Jade and Christian on one of their regular trips to some exotic location in the world too.

 

We would try and get a ride in every now and then. Unfortunately our schedules mean they were probably once or twice a year even though we lived only a couple of hours from each other and would meet in the middle. Here's a few riding photos that have been posted before, over the years.

 

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As I wrote when I posted the last one on Instagram, only a BMXer knows this is a comfortable way to sitting when talking about how good we were back in the day.

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hey jake , was a pleasure, was a fun process. thanks for doing the work.

 

I'm very lucky to have met some really nice people in this hobby, and althoughI don't own that many bikes I am happy to have been collecting for the last nine or so years.

 

james, always love catching up for a ride. Certainly one of my BMX highlights.

 

thanks for all your kind words guys!

 

Cheers

 

C.

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WOW!Very good guys! I didnt know you were a horse guy Christian! It's our other hobby here at my house also. love these spotlights.

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Great work Jake, nice to meet you Christian!

 

I only read 50%, I have to go back like I do with magazines in my bathroom and read in portions. (otherwise I end up skimming and I hate when I do that).

 

I love the insight into Aussie BMX! (migrated from Austria to Australia? Admit it, you just read the map wrong!)

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Good stuff guys! That's what is needed.. some freshness

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ahh... good read on a Sunday morning.

 

:cheers:

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Great stuff fellas. :ThumbsUp:

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cool interview, that is so cool working with animals. I always massaged my dogs and they would freak out about it, I mean they really liked it. I thought it was wierd but they kept coming back wanting more so I always just gave in. Wow and now I see you can do it for a living? My fingers would be too tired, but man I think that is so cool and I bet the animals go ape when you get them back up and running. nothing like a good massage !!!! I sure could go for one right now.

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Thanks everyone, yep a horse guy. When I first thought of getting into treating animals 14 years ago, I was certainly looked at very oddly. Now days, I still get some bullshit from people but you know things are pumping now with my work so all the lean years were worth it. I also can't get enough of having sore animals give them selves over to me in complete trust, it's just pure gold.

 

 

Here is a picture of my Australian race jersey, from the world titles. It hangs in my office as a reminder of how one accident has changed so many lives for the better.

 

 

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It is so cool to know more about the guys on the site and how they became involved, and ultimately consumed, by BMX. As an aside, that FMF is freakin' awesome!

 

Thanks for giving us some of your time. I enjoyed reading it. :OSThumbsUpPeace[1]:

 

Richard Vogt

bmxmountainbiker

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Yes, truly a good member, and an intereting guy to boot. I love how Aussies say " gold bits" when referring to some gold anno parts on his bike. Just different, and refreshing. Nice to have the international flavor, from a guy, who is just like us. Good show!

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Ball-tearer......

 

Good stuff from a bloody good bloke and passionate member....

 

Well done C, keeping the dream alive!

 

B

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That was really interesting. I will admit, the animal-related Q&A was my favorite part. What a cool career path you took, Christian. Life is good and you seem very happy and content.

 

Nice interview!

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Thank you my friend, life is good, but I wouldn't complain if it wasn't.

 

haven't seen you around in a while.how you been?

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Very cool! Thanks Jake for doing this, always much appreciated and looked forward to. And...thanks Christian...just for being a cool dude!

 

Great read and glad to have you guys here.

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I am definitely fascinated with your vocation... I think a lot of us are, and that's what we are pondering, your bikes are amazing (see BOTY threads), your house is amazing... but your work is so fascinating it has really captured our imagination.

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Great guy! Great bikes! Great stuff!

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Thanks again guys!

 

Steve, the idea of treating soft tissue issues in animals came about because I always thought I wasn't smart enough to be a vet, or a conservationist. I flunked out of high school after repeating year 11.

 

I always knew it would become something, just didn't know if I would be able to stick at it for long enough. My you tube videos are currently getting 100-150 hits per day and most of those are in California and England. I have recently worked with some of the largest stables in Australia. Other days I am working on the side of the road in some rural town. I really don't care where it is so long as I am doing what I love what I'm gifted at and that I am helping animals. I am so lucky to have created a job that fucking rocks and to have a loving wife that supported me through my crazy plan. :blink:

 

here is one of my videos that explains what I do a bit better, I created the videos because people always asked .... What do you do and does it work? you will also be able to hear my stupid accent, hope it makes me sound smarter. please share this on face book or with any horsey people you know. I want people to know how to check if their horse is sore or not and if what they are currently doing is helping.

 

 

http://www.facebook.com/ThoroughPerformance

 

 

and here are a couple more pictures of some of the horses i work with

 

 

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