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My 2005 GHP prototypes and factory samples

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As much as I hate the word "PROTOTYPE" because seemingly everything BMX on the internet is a "RARE PROTOTYPE" I have managed, with the great help of member Green Griffin 420 (Shawn Riggs), to get 5 pretty special frames from the 2005 chromoly frame project that got GHP fired back up for their third and longest stint in BMX frame manufacturing (2005-2017). Little back story: Green Griffin owns Bicycle City in Jackson TN. He bought the shop from Alan Worley, who was Greg's partner in GHP from 2005-2017and a friend of Greg's since back in the early 80's (or longer).Alan is still in and out of the shop and has some of his BMX stuff stored there. Alan, through GG420, offered me his prototype and factory sample frames that he had been hanging on to. The production run was 50 20" frames and 50 24" frames in 4130 chromoly. Obviously before production happens, there has to be a initial prototype and then usually a few factory samples for R&D and thrashing. The very first frame welded up for the rebirth of GHP was a frame that Billy Griggs (yes, that Billy "The Kid" Griggs) fabricated and welded up for Greg and Alan. After that a few "factory samples" were produced, which to my knowledge from conversations I had with GG420, there were two 20' frames and two 24" frames produced as factory samples. One of each for Greg and Alan. I have been able to purchase the Billy Griggs original prototype as well as Alan's first factory sample 24" cruiser and Greg's factory sample 20" (which came to me from a guy on Ebay named Scott Felt who must be a personal friend / acquaintance of Greg's as he had Greg sign it and the GHP uniform of Greg's that I just got) . Alan also kept two of the 50 production cruiser frames and had them powdered lime green and white instead of the orange/red all the production frames were because there was talk of a second run in those colors so they were "test driving" those colors. The second run never happened as Greg and Alan decided to switch to aluminum for all the frames from 2007-2017 (other than the 2010 limited edition 1984 GHP frame and fork sets) and they then offered the alloy frames in green and white.

On the cruiser frames, the prototype has a 1" longer rear triangle than the production frames and used considerably heavier tubing than the production frames. Same goes for the 20" factory sample frames. The production frames of both sizes had the cable guides at about 7 o'clock on the top tube. the prototypes and factory samples had them at about 10-11 o'clock. Also the dropouts on the proto cruiser are bigger and fully welded inside and out and the production frames had smaller dropouts and were welded on the outside only. The other big difference aside from the dropouts, rear triangle length, weight and cable guide location is how the chain stay tubes meet the BB shell. The proto frame has the tubes smashed into an oval before and at the BB junction and the production cruiser used round tube the whole length of the chain stay.

Thanks again to Green Griffin 420 (Shawn Riggs)and Scott Felt for everything including info. Billy did the first frame by freehand and Green Griffin 420 did the cad drawings for the frames.

First pic here is of Billy Griggs holding the very first prototype he built for Greg. The pics after are when it was powdered white. Notice the integrated seat post clamp (which never made it to production). Alan told GG420 that Greg rode this frame and took it to China to do some Chinese team training and Speed seminars with it).

 

 

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Next is the 20" factory sample in chrome:

 

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Next is the first factory sample of the 24" cruiser

 

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These two production 24" frames were Alan's that he had powdered.

 

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This is just a reg production 20"

 

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Here's the differences between the prototype, factory sample, and production frames on the 20" frames.

 

 

 

 

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Some differences from the 24" proto/first factory sample to the production frames. Mostly rear triangle differences.

 

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Received my copy of Greg Hill's book from 2014 yesterday and read it all the way through and got to the last page and saw this pic of Greg with the chrome frame I showed up above

 

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Greg's 2015 season jersey and leathers signed by him.

 

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Damn Brian, nice cache of rare goodies.

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woah... have to say Hays, when you hit me up for help on pics, I didn't expect this. I didn't see this one coming and all the sudden you have the deepest collection in the world of early 2k's GHP's. And you did go deep! 

 

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I think my head is going to pop.

This is the kind of stuff that really makes my day. This is the first site I check in the mornings, as I drink my first cup of joe, and lately the content has been stellar. This is a prime example. Really good stuff, Brian. The sided by side shots are really interesting, as well as the written word.

Quality stuff.

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Now that's a GHP collection I can dig besides the 80s stuff. So cool that you have all the history covered on these babies. That's pretty deep stuff. Respect!

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Thanks guys. I just also secured the first proto 20" alloy frame for the 2007 kickoff of the alloy frames. Working a deal on the matching 07 proto cruiser and some other smalls. 

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Just secured the very first 20" and 24" alloy factory samples for the 2007 frame run. I'll post pics when they arrive.

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Here's the 2007 first factory samples of the 20 and 24 frames as well as some bars, plates and stems.

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Crazy. You're going all in, Brian.

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That first year the Expert frames came with a Pro rear triangle. Brake posts didn't work for 1 3/8" wheels and they had the pro sized seat tube. We had one and it was funky trying to make it work. Only certain brakes had enough adjustment, and finding a uni seat that fit was just about impossible. I used a regular micro adjust and an odyssey mini seat iirc. 

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